A very nice gentleman, going by the moniker el.sid2001 has made a few passing visits to Sleepyeyedwhiners.
Since he is of such keen insight and high intellect, I thought my readers (well, both of you, if we include el.sid), might benefit from his highly honed psychological analysis.
El.sid first replied to my post in response to a troll who decided to call all Southerners "dumb" and proceeded to write a comment so filled with grammatical errors and logic missteps that it screamed out for rebuttal. Apparently, irony being lost on el.sid, he replied with this:
"I have to tell you, somebody who spent 20 years in the Navy being Trident Tuff that has a blog called Sleepy Eyed Whiners of the Deep must be deeply disgruntled. Your profile says nothing of your Navy achievements, so I am guessing you retired as a 1st. However, from your anal attacks on grammer, I might even venture a guess as an officer, but not a very good one. I bet you critiqued the hell out of some fitreps though. I think you are an officer because of the way you have to feel superior to other people and the only way you can manage is with the grammer. If you are not an officer or a 1st, then I would like to call you Brother, but I can't because my first impression of you is an E7. Maybe I am wrong. I found this blog while doing research and probably won't be back. I had to create a gmail account to post this, and quite frankly, I don't even remember the password. I too, am Trident Tuff, but Pac Tuff. I have inserted several grammatical errors throughout this post. See if you can find them all. Dive, Dive."
My reply:
El Sid,
Greetings to you and thanks for stopping by! Sorry you wasted your time here on this screed.
I won't waste time on "intentional" grammatical errors. Especially if you won't be back to grade my grading.
But, what are you, because we know you're not a 1st class, nor an officer, and maybe not an E7 (is that one of the errors you inserted?)?
Feel free NOT to answer, as I am NOT that interested.
Ciao,
Jay
I decided to add another challenge:
Final comment to you El Sid - there is one picture on this blog where you could discern what boat(s) I served on. The fact that you think it was a Trident makes me wonder what 20 years you served and your knowledge of your own boat's class.
Thanks for your service, but I see no need for you to denigrate mine or anyone else's for that matter.
Later,
Jay
For some reason my gmail account didn't alert me to el.sid's reply to my reply, but I find it priceless and an advertisement for why submariners should get out more:
"Well, Jay, I just had to come back and see how you would react and it fits. I now know you are not a Chief because you would have gotten my quip about being an E7 an my screen name should have clued in as well. The pic of the floating palace looks like a Boomer to me. I can't make out the name, but I can see where the BST goes on the port side and it looks like Kbay to me. Fast boats don't have a BST. Fast boats also ride high in the water at the bow and do not slope down like that. That is a Trident. So good try in trying to make me look like an idiot to your few followers in hopes that I would not be back, but you are quickly digging a hole for yourself. You state yourself that you are a former Boomer sailor in your profile. Fast boat guys would never abmit to being a Boomer Fag. I should have read it better last night, but your 20 years includes the reserve. I took as you did 20 years and retired, then transferred to the reserves. I can see now that is not the case. How many years did you do active? What boats have you been on? How long did it take to get your fish? What is a crank? What does being posted mean? Prove me wrong. Did you get sub disqualled cause you can't hack it? What rate were you? Nuc drop? MT? Not MT if your a SSN guy. You put the Jay in Joke. I am not sure what following you have on here, but I feel sorry for these people. I am a proud Trident Chief who has been in for only 10 years. I live, breath, eat, and sleep the Submarine way of life. If you were in my division you would get all the crap jobs because you are a S-bag. A wrinkle-neck."
el.sid did rise to the boat picking challenge, though I don't know who he got to tell him:
"I just realized what boat that is on your page. It is the USS Simon Bolivar SSBN-641. For your followers that don't know, SSBN refers to a Nuclear Powered Ballistic Missile Submarine. I thought it looked smaller thank an Ohio Class and that is because it is a Ben Franklin Class. You are becoming more of a joke every second."
Not sure how the old 641 makes me MORE of a joke to el.sid than I already am. I always thought those Trident guys were pretty wimpy, I mean, we did our own maintenance and didn't have to pay civilian contractors to fix anything. Hell, we could even repair stuff at sea. But, I'll wear el.sid's joke like a badge of honor. How many other guys can say they sat in the same radio room and opened the same safes as Johnny Walker (a Chief you can be proud of, el.sid) - that's quite a feather in my cap. How many guys have that legacy?
Still got the port wrong (but, you're "Pac Tuff" so no expectation there).
Anyway last night el.sid returned, and here was his comment:
"el sid here j. did you quit on me? I figured you would have something else to say. I told a fellow submariner about you and your blog, we had quite a good laugh at your expense. A lot of people on board did (JAY: Are you not on a submarine now? I mean, wouldn't everyone on board be a "fellow submariner?"). He pointed out that only 6 or 7 people respond to your posts. (he gives me too much credit). Another shipmate of mine also had a question: What exactly do you do with submarines in the reserve in Atlanta? Do you drive down to Kbay or up to VA? Just a thought. You also never answered me about what rate you were. We are all very curious. I told you I wouldn't remember my email password. I dont even recall the login name. I didnt take you for a quitter. How many cans can you put in the TDU? Remember j, pride runs deep. How deep is yours. Did your bubblehead become a skimmer?"
I like this last comment from him. I can just see el.sid and a few of his pals in the Chief's quarters, or maybe they're huddled around el.sid's PC in the off-crew office, checking out this blog. All with these burning questions. Funny stuff.
Could you, instead of having all your pals comment through you, use their own computers and drive my traffic numbers up? Help a shipmate out.
Prediction: el.sid does not do well when women are detailed to his submarine.
For the other 5 people who are reading what do you make of el.sid?
7 comments:
So I've been lurking for a month or so. I follow because I share many of the same ideas. I may not have won the lottery yet (made Chief), but my time will come. I've met 2 types of Chiefs that make it in less than 10 years. The first is the disgruntled Nuke who soon gets out and reminds me of how good it is on the outside. The second is the D-bag chief (Nuke or Cone) who has done nothing to earn the respect and admiration of his sailors. I guess there is a third type, the type that can make the disgruntled E-5 love the Navy, and love his job, but I haven't met one yet.
I've had really good chiefs, and chiefs like El Sid who make me rethink my devotion to God and Country (The current government does the same thing, but that is a comment on another post). I have very little respect for Trident sailors from having been working next to them the last 4 years. They (most) lack any work ethic and apparently have nothing better to do than sit around while on Off Crew to try to stir up trouble on the internets. I'm guessing El Sid also talks a big game while playing WoW when he cuts out for the day at 10am. El Sid is no "Chief" and comes across more as an E-7... go lead your sailors, and don't worry about some blog or it's author. I don't care if somebody does 4,6 or 30 years, a Submariner is a Submariner if he follows through to the end. We all have stories and opinions, and this blog is a collection of them from one man. From the mouth of a Fast Attack Tough Submariner who knows what it is like to work for a living ,and since we like to talk tough out in the cyber world, shut your man pleaser (I'm assuming that's how you made Chief) and go lead and train the next class of Chiefs.
So I've been lurking for a month or so. I follow because I share many of the same ideas. I may not have won the lottery yet (made Chief), but my time will come. I've met 2 types of Chiefs that make it in less than 10 years. The first is the disgruntled Nuke who soon gets out and reminds me of how good it is on the outside. The second is the D-bag chief (Nuke or Cone) who has done nothing to earn the respect and admiration of his sailors. I guess there is a third type, the type that can make the disgruntled E-5 love the Navy, and love his job, but I haven't met one yet.
I've had really good chiefs, and chiefs like El Sid who make me rethink my devotion to God and Country (The current government does the same thing, but that is a comment on another post). I have very little respect for Trident sailors from having been working next to them the last 4 years. They (most) lack any work ethic and apparently have nothing better to do than sit around while on Off Crew to try to stir up trouble on the internets. I'm guessing El Sid also talks a big game while playing WoW when he cuts out for the day at 10am. El Sid is no "Chief" and comes across more as an E-7... go lead your sailors, and don't worry about some blog or it's author. I don't care if somebody does 4,6 or 30 years, a Submariner is a Submariner if he follows through to the end. We all have stories and opinions, and this blog is a collection of them from one man. From the mouth of a Fast Attack Tough Submariner who knows what it is like to work for a living ,and since we like to talk tough out in the cyber world, shut your man pleaser (I'm assuming that's how you made Chief) and go lead and train the next class of Chiefs.
Pretty big words from a dirty blue shirt. Fast boats do cool stuff but your idea of an off crew is in a convergence zone. Jay may have served on a sub but he is no submariner. I would never take something I loved, bled, and sweat for and disrespect it. Steely eyed killers of the deep. I made chief in 8 years and 7 months by the way. Here's how I did it. Qualed dive on my first boat as 2nd, then duty chief. Then I volunteered to ride a fast boat for a west pac. Went to shore duty and busted out my masters. Now I am a Chief. Work ethic got me here, not man pleasing. The only thing I am disgruntled about is how sbags seems to attract one another. As an LPO and LCPO, my retention is 100% as well as advancement. So if you want to be a Chief, maybe you should 1306 to my division. Navy life is my life and I am proud when a skimmer calls me bubble head or squid. Let's focus on j and see what he has done. We know nothing because he dodges the questions and he will never have my respect because he is disgracing something dear to me. Maybe you should reevaluate your feelings of Pride Running Deep.
Although I rarely leave a comment (sorry, Jay), I am a regular reader of Jay's blog. Jay is a talented writer, and I don't say that just because I happen to share his political views. He offers insightful and well-written political commentary.
Jay's response to the anti-southerner troll was well written and to-the-point. I don't understand why El Sid feels the need to take issue with that.
I, too, am proud to serve in the Submarine Force. However, I have not found anything on Jay's blog disrespectful to submariners, nor have I had any reason to question Jay's qualifications as a fellow bubblehead.
I'm curious what El Sid's motivation is to pick a fight here. I could understand if El Sid disagreed with Jay's political views and tried to argue the liberal side, but he has only criticized Jay for his method of dealing with the troll and for the title of his blog. I fail to see the rationale behind his personal attacks on Jay's character and professional qualifications. What does El Sid hope to gain from this?
Anon and Blu,
Thanks for your comments.
El.Sid - thanks for stopping by yet again. I appreciate your loyal devotion to the Naval Service.
Somewhere in the early history of this blog you will find a post about the "sleepy eyed whiners" reference.
It fits into the category of war or military service being about 99% boredom and 1% sheer terror, or something like that.
And, actually, it's a self-deprecating commentary on the men (and soon womyn) who serve on all ships (but, in this case, submarines). Sure, for that 1% of the time that it really counts, our training, work ethic, and sheer Americanism, makes us steely eyed killers, but, the other 99% of the time, we're mostly whiners. And, hey, if a sailor couldn't bitch and complain to vent his frustration, he'd be a future postal service employee.
So, el.sid, I encourage you to grab a sense of humor (I hear they're on sale at Wal-mart this week) and either leave or laugh.
You're wound about a half turn too tight, and if you really do live and breathe the submarine service, please, do it a favor and get a life. The Navy and the Silent Service need well rounded sailors more than they need guys playing Full Metal Jacket around them.
As for my not answering your silly questions - I don't need, nor want your validation. My record speaks for itself, and this blog stands astraddle and aside that.
Again, have a great Navy Day, and I hope your taking duty over the Holiday's for sailors who have families and lives they'd like to lead off the boat.
BTW - El.Sid, thanks for your service.
Have you ever considered recruiting duty? It might be right up your alley.
I dont need to validate you. You are a whiner like everybody else. The Navy is easy. Just shut up and do as your told. There is no need to whine. This is the easiest job on earth. You call my questions silly, but it just proves that you take the easy way out. I bet you gundecked pms too, but how much pms does a radioman have? I don't have to take any duty cause my opposite shipmates are doing gods work. Bluenose, I am not picking a fight, I am just weeding out the weak. J knows once you find a weak spot you expolit it until that guy fails or gets on board. There is no room for mistakes when you are battling a fire or hyd rupture where vis goes to 0 in less than a second. Been in two of those later ones. J seems like the person who would crack. I have an appointment with an elk, so ladies I leave you with this: If you have not read this then you should. http://www.atule.com/Sea%20Stories/dr_joyce_brothers.htm Then ask yourself if you fully understood the dangers you were put in every patrol, deployment, and workup. If you can honestly look yourself in the mirror and say you did, and you still whined and complained about how boring it was/is, then you fully don't understand why this blog title makes me so mad.
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